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What is a Geek really, and is Sue Waters one?

Posted by: Sue Hickton | January 6, 2009 | 19 Comments |

The Geekiness of Sue Waters

This tweet caught my eye a little earlier.geek1

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Sue Waters has always protested her low geek quotient, and that in fact she is not really a geek.  This has been a bit of an ongoing argument with us for a number of years.

In order to establish whether or not she is a geek, we first need to explore what characteristics actually constitute a geek.

Defining the Geek

Wikipedia defines a geek as “a peculiar or otherwise odd person, especially one who is perceived to be overly obsessed with one or more things including those of intellectuality, electronics, gaming, etc.”

Historically geek refers to carnival workers who used to bite the heads off all manner of creepy crawlies including chicken heads (obviously Ozzie Osbourne got his ideas from here!).  However we will work with the more contemporary use of the word.

Other working definitions of geek also include

  • A derogatory reference to a person obsessed with intellectual pursuits for their own sake, who is also deficient in most other human attributes so as to impair the person’s operation within society.
  • A person who is interested in technology, especially computing and new media. Geeks are adept with computers, and use the term hacker in a positive way, though not all are hackers themselves.
  • A person who relates academic subjects to the real world outside of academic studies; for example, using multivariate calculus to determine how they should correctly optimize the dimensions of a pan to bake a cake.
  • A person who has chosen concentration rather than conformity; one who passionately pursues skill (especially technical skill) and imagination, not mainstream social acceptance.
  • A person with a devotion to something in a way that places him or her outside the mainstream. This could be due to the intensity, depth, or subject of their interest. This definition is very broad but because many of these interests have mainstream endorsement and acceptance, the inclusion of some genres as “geeky” is heavily debated. Persons have been labeled as or chosen to identify as physics geeks, mathematics geeks, engineering geeks, sci-fi geeks, computer geeks, various science geeks, movie and film geeks (cinephile), comic book geeks, theatre geeks, history geeks, music geeks, art geeks, philosophy geeks, literature geeks, historical reenactment geeks and roleplay geeks.

Geek v Nerd on the internet

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Nerd is a term often bearing a derogatory connotation or stereotype, that refers to a person who passionately pursues intellectual activities, esoteric knowledge, or other obscure interests that are age inappropriate rather than engaging in more social or popular activities. Therefore, a nerd is often excluded from physical activity and considered a loner by peers, or will tend to associate with like-minded people.

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Nerds typically appear either to lack confidence or to be indifferent or oblivious to the negative perceptions held of them by others, with the result that they become frequent objects of scorn, ridicule, bullying, and social isolation. Some nerds show a pronounced interest in subjects which others tend to find dull or complex and difficult to comprehend, or overly mature for their age, especially topics related to science, mathematics and technology. On the opposite end of the spectrum, nerds may show an interest in activities that are viewed by their peers as immature for their age, such as trading cards, comic books, or role playing games such as Dungeons & Dragons and other things relating to fantasy and science fiction. They are also stereotyped for being obsessed with Star Trek, Star Wars, and other science fiction shows or movies. Nerds are often portrayed as unfit and either obese or very thin. Nerds are also sometimes portrayed as having symptoms of obsessive-compulsive disorder, such as by showing an extreme devotion to following rules.

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This youtube clip has an interesting take on the differences between geeks and nerds as well

There seems to be a fair amount of contradiction then, as to what characteristics actually make a Geek v Nerd.  There is a 3rd one too, Dork – although this is bottom of the pecking order and quite an undesirable label from all accounts.

So, is Sue Waters a Geek?

I  think there is a strong streak of Geek / Nerd (or is that Gerd or Neek?) running throught Sue Waters.

Take a vote and tell us what you think! Feel free to comment and add your thoughts on what makes a Geek or a Nerd.

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EvilSue

I have dubbed Sue a Geek under my powers as Microsoft’s Professional Geek.

Nick

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ROFLMAO
but gee she knows stuff

Sues fave snow app and all

lurve your work evil one

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EvilSue
My inner geek is disturbed by the deeply flawed architecture of you comprehensive survey. Where is the 4th alternative? i.e. “Both”?

However, on the basis that Sue waters has not picked up on this obvious deficiency, she can not possible be either a geek OR a nerd.

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I was told once that I am not a geek, I am a ‘propeller head’…. I reckon that fits you more too Sue!

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Sorry Sue…..

Twitter alert blog post embedded youtube clip online poll = nerd ;)

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Hey EvilSue!

Great to drop in on a West Ausie blogger! Maybe you can return the favour some time!

A Hong Kong based former Sandgroper.

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Do you have all night benders online eating pizza and guzzling coke? That = geek.
If not, you’re non-geek. :)

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Sue not a geek – online social skills far too high!! :)
Not geek or all on twitter/edublogs would also be geeks – we are all passionate/fanatic about something e- but geek is extreme. Geek also usually = very “techie” ie prbly programmer/network xpert etc

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Too smart and useful to be a geek. Nerd. For sure. “a person who passionately pursues intellectual activities, esoteric knowledge, or other obscure interests…” (the rest, about being a social outcast, is BUNK!)

Wear the badge with pride, Sue – we are the “architects of dreams”!

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I’ve been watching her flourish over the last few years, and I think she’s gone from passionate pursual of new technologies to full blown geek! The modern Geek does have social skills, albiet a little odd :) So, I think geek is *definitely* applicable to Sue!

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Firstly – excellent post! While I’m at it a very clean theme (bit jealous).

Seriously though I’ve always felt a true geek should have programming skills which we all know I don’t have. Besides which I don’t stay up all night eating pizza and drinking coke.

I shall just have to work harder with the whole voting part. mmmm wonder if you set to one vote per IP?

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I voted for Sue as a “Geek,” but only because a) I think being a geek is a good thing, and b) I proudly wear my geek badge, and I want her to do so as well. :-)

Oh, and it is ENTIRELY possible to have fabulous social skills AND be a geek. Just sayin.

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Well, you DO have some programming skills rough html not counting these days hey? :p

And last time I checked you do really late nights and really early mornings all of which involve coke, and while it might not be pizza i do believe u gave us a twitpic the other night of your macdonalds dinner :)

hehe and yes I set it to one vote per IP! I love the fact you are getting some nerd votes too LOL

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I’m voting geek- cause I think geeks have a wide knowledge of internet-iness, and that’s what Sue has.

But I think of nerds as being really really super intelligent about everything in the world…

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I’m sure ‘geek’ will win! though I’m guessing Sue has no relationship with The Geeks – The Victims who were a punk band from Perth, Western Australia, active in 1977-79. LOL

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Neither geeks nor nerds have even one-tenth of the people skills displayed by Sue.

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Definitely a geek! If wikipedia has anything to do with it especially the bit about the chickens!

The word geek is a slang term, noting individuals as “a peculiar or otherwise odd person, especially one who is perceived to be overly obsessed with one or more things including those of intellectuality, electronics, gaming, etc.”[1] Formerly, the term referred to a carnival performer often billed as a wild man whose act usually includes biting the head off a live chicken, bat, snake or bugs. The 1976 edition of the American Heritage Dictionary included only the definition regarding geek shows.

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[...] my recent poll on Is Sue Waters a Geek? I think I will take Day #2 as satisfactorily [...]

Are we missing the point here?

Geeks and Nurds (rhymes with t. . . – can you imagine a love-bite on one?)
Geeks may be far more social than Nurds but as Sue has stated she has had no formal programming training – and so is neither!

The real point here is who is in control of Education? Where the teacher, facilitator, instructor must be – we have instead many times some Geek or Turd fascist control freak making the programming adjustments and settings for an Institution’s network, instead of being in a supportive, collaborative role for the Instructors.

Geeks and Nerds usually have NO educational skills – and NO idea of Web 2.0 requirements. They are usually Not creative, simply boring blockers – or blockheads if you prefer. Very few geeks and nurds have made it across to being successful instructors.

Sue and many other exemplary globally accepted social networkers and instructors become frustrated with the network barriers that are set around them. We are all seeking autonomy after too many centuries of autocracy (and retrograde anti-productive bureaucrazy).

Politics has lost its grip forever. (Bush must now go back to school to learn his 3Rs and work very hard on getting his IQ over 90).

Sue like many others wants and deserves her FREEDOM from Geeks and Nurds. Mr Dudd we do not need web filters – stop acting like a IT/ICT geek or nurd – children need to go out and play – with supervision.

Now is Bill Grates a geek or a nurd or just another drop-out spoiling the attrition rate?

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